Eliana Gilad, Emerge Triumphant

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Welcome back friends through our podcast, Unlocking Your World of Creativity. And today we're gonna talk about unlocking creativity through unleashing the power of our voice, our inner voice, and the ability and power to shine through that voice. And we're gonna be talking with a expert in healing, voice mentoring, and teaching and activating. And our guest is Eliana Gillad. Eliana, welcome to the program.

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Thank you so much, Mark. I'm delighted to be here. Woohoohoo.

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Yeah, there you go. Well, it's gonna be exciting to talk in the world of creativity. You've lived in Paris, you've lived in the States, you've lived in Israel, uh, so there's a good global perspective there that I'm looking forward to hearing too. Eliana is the author of a great book called Emerge Triumphant among other books, but we'll talk about that one today. And Eliana, this book has a terrific theme, a terrific story. Uh, maybe we could just start there, that the idea of emerging triumphant and finding our voice and thriving through uncertainty. How, how is it that we create a, people can start to find our voice in these uncertain times?

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Uh, first of all, turn off your media

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Well, uh, Cause you're not gonna find it by trying to figure things out or by using, you know, the, the, well here's the, which one do you want first? The good news or the bad

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. Just give it to us. That's right.

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Which one? Tell me.

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I'll, I'll take the bad news first so that we can come out on the other side.

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Yeah. So we'll come out on the good end. Right, . So I, and I'm not gonna tell you something you don't know. Maybe just bringing, you know who dear listeners, you know, whoever is listening in, you know, how, you know, in these times where nothing is. Sure. And, you know, things are changing on the flip of a dime and you really can't count on anything anymore. And you might be experiencing in these, in these times, some like impetus or some pulse or something inside of you that's, you know, that's calling, but you don't have any words for it. And then, you know, you try and you're like a creative person and you're, you know, you do show up and you try and figure out, you know, what is it, what is it? And you try this and you try that, and you try and figure it out. Figure it out, figure it out, figure it out. How's it working for you?

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, the bad news is that while those are the things that we, that's a cognitive function, and that's the way we've all been implicated in our, you know, education. Certainly, you know, if you've been in a business world in a, you know, professional setting, you know, and if you're in the North American, western European cultures, we learn that a plan is made to follow through. How's it working today? You can't make plans and expect that it's gonna be followed through. It's just not reality. And then we learn to figure things out, Right. To have things will make it work. That's our ethos. But those very skills that we've learned are sometimes the absolute worst tool to come up with solutions for what we're dealing with today. Mm. It doesn't work. It hasn't working for you. And if you insist on continuing to do that, you just dig in a hole for yourself more and more

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And more just following the plan for plan sake.

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Following the plan. Yeah. And I've just come from two months overseas, come back to the states, and I'm sensing this just in the past two months. I have this sense of, uh, like after the summer, but nobody knows what's going on. But it, like, in the online space, , you know, my business is online ba you see all these like, bullshit on it. It just resonates. Bullshit sounds great, looks great bullshit. Because underneath there, there's a whole nother level that none of us have learned. We all have access to it, but none of us has learned. And that's the good news. Mm. Is that when the proverbial kaka hits the fan, it's like, well, and the old ways don't work. What a great opportunity to try something new because he really can't fail. It's really the best time for creativity and for, for innovation, for inspiration to come through. It really is fantastic. But it will not work if you insist on being in control, cuz you're not. And being comfortable. It's not, You're not. I mean, like that's back to the bad news,

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Just by definition. Yes. You

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Want, you know, you want to be comfortable. Go down with the Titanic. Choice is yours, you know, you wanna expand and thrive, let go and get ready for adventure. .

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Yes. Well, certainly we're talking about these modern challenges, but your book also brings out the fact that a lot of these are ancient, you know, archetypes. Ancient wisdom that we need to draw upon to solve or to at least, uh, understand what we're going through. Yeah. Uh, maybe give us some insight into how the ancient voices came through in writing and crafting your

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Book. Yeah. Well, fortunately, uh, for me, I am, uh, well we just came into the Hebrew New Year, 5,738 year old tradition. Mm-hmm. . And I'm a member, uh, I'm a born member of the Levi Tribe at 12 Tribes. I'm Levi Tribe D, which makes me direct descendant of Miriam and Moses and Aaron Levi tribe, the Levi tribe. Were the musicians also in the temple. But there's tradition that is much older than biblical tradition. The biblical is like more modern modern times. But this is a tradition that goes back, um, uh, thousands and thousands of years old. We, what we forget in modern times is that for the majority of human history, we lived according to matriarchal worldview. I don't mean man, woman, I mean matriarchal in terms of let's say mother nature, you know, where they're cycles, you know, and when it's winter and the trees are, you know, without leaves, are they dead? No.

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No. The leaves are, you know, the dead leaves are turning into compost. That in the ne that's happening quite actively in the dead of winter. But it's all existing at the same time. When we're focused on our cognitively, in our intellect, in our heads, how, you know, how we've lived for the last few thousand years. We never, we never get to access that. So we have the great fortune that those cultures that are still have remnants and connected to the ancient still have access to those technologies and, and wisdom that was never written down. It was passed down from generation to generation. So it didn't get lost. Mm-hmm. and in plain sight survived and can thrive. And I just am so grateful to be a member of this tribe. Cuz like in my dna, I don't, you know, just like

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Right. It's a part of you. Yes.

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You know, and having lived through three wars, social unrest and displacement in, you know, in Israel for 20 plus years, you know, it's like the best thing that I could have gone through for it prepared me really well for these times. There

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You go. You know, And, and I don't think everybody would take that, uh, maybe optimistic view of it, but I see where you're going in terms of how it prepared you.

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Cause everybody, well, everybody lives through war. It doesn't have to be pro, it doesn't have to be literal bombs, but, uh, it's what happens when you're trying to figure out what to do next and it ain't working and you're still doing all the quote unquote right. Things like it's on social media, but people aren't calling and the sales aren't coming in and you're terrified. Oh my God. But what about the mortgage or what about the rent? Right? Yes. Or you're, uh, after being in lockdown and you've been in a relationship for, and the kids have left and you know, and the parents are in assisted living and you're suddenly meeting your partner after 20 something years going, what? Mm-hmm. , who is this person? What am I doing? What is my life about? You know, the plan doesn't, the plan doesn't work there and your heart is yearning for something, but then what goes on inside of you that keeps you in on your, you know, and you're hamster wheel, that's a bomb because your heart's yearning for something. But every time you dare go to do something, it feels like you're gonna die inside. But you can't let anybody see that because then they'll know you're not serious, you're not professional and you're already scared. Mm-hmm. , you know, like this doctor,

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Like you don't wanna reveal this.

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Mm-hmm. , you know, because you know, we gotta have it. I gotta have it together. I gotta, Yes. I mean, the whole reason I'm doing this, uh, podcast tour and radio tour with the launch of Emerge triumphant is that I used to be a broadcaster for cbs. And when, uh, and my entire work is a result of asking, my God, you know, I had thrown away my television set, What before I worked for cbs, but I didn't dare tell anybody, you know, send me to the loony bin. But I found myself during the, uh, Olympic games. I sat my, I was in the news research department where they decide what to broadcast, and I sat next to the gentleman who ran the wire services. And of course, this is before, uh, internet mm-hmm. now the, like this little box with Reuters, u p I, all these, you know,

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A little sheet comes out.

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Yeah, yeah. You know, with the little headlines. And the guy would go, Oh my God, you wouldn't believe what happened. And one day I got up enough courage, I said, I actually do. I said, I actually threw my television. I may be working here, but I threw my television set away because it's always bad news. He goes, What are you from the moon

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He goes, Let's look. I go, Okay. And it was exactly that, you know, he goes, It's war rape, pillage. Good news is a ceasefire. It's the same story. That's what commercial media is based on to scare the holy but Jesus out of you. And then there are advertisements to sell you solutions to your pain. Mm-hmm. , that's how western commercialism culture exemplified in the US to thet .

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Yes. Well, and I think that's, I think with that background in my own life and all our lives as when I came to this, well, when I, when I came to this book then, and said, Well, Miriam's, well, which we always knew was both, you know, a place and a gathering place. But, you know, considering that as the source of stories and where we're gonna meet and tell the stories of the day. But I, I just found the, the metaphor or the analogy of Miriam's, well, to a media outlet, , you know, or I mean the gathering.

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Yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah. I hadn't thought of that actually, because Yeah. In ancient times, the well was the gathering place. And that's where news, and that's where Yeah, that's where, But isn't that interesting cuz it was word of mouth. Mm-hmm. . So your voice, you know, and, and not just the story you tell, but where it's coming from actually made the import. And that's the thing that we've lost in our amazingly fantastic technology. That is, I think the brilliance and the gift of our having cut off from our feminine side so that we could develop our technology so that we could develop these sciences so that now we've come full circle and now the ancient and the feminine is coming back up so that we can, now you've used the word emerging before, you know mm-hmm. that we can, um, bring them back together.

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You, That's how I see. I take a really wide, wide view, you know? So let's go back to the, Well, you know, there's also your wisdom, your answers are inside. They're not outside and they're not in the 32nd sound bite. And, and, um, it's not three steps too. It's like, how difficult is it for you to be who you already are? The difficult part is daring to stop the drug of scrolling or the drug of what, whatever the autopilot is. Mm-hmm. , pick your poison, you know? Yeah. And I'm not making a judgment on it either. That's just how we No,

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But you're, you're bringing up an interesting, again, that a different view that I get now that I'm talking to you live than just reading the book. But yeah, the fact that, uh, we do have insight, not external or outside influence, but even the way then, uh, it, it reveals to me a different, uh, I guess explanation to the craftsmanship of your book. You end the chapter with some questions for reflection. You don't end the chapter with here's three steps, or here's a plan, or here's a plan of action. No, I Or advice that you wanna take. You say, Okay, now that you've read this, contemplate on this for a moment to help reveal that insight rather than your external advice.

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Absolutely. Because you have your answers. I don't have your answers. I don't know, You know, I have enough questioning myself, . Right. And imagine what this world would be like as we dare listen, We dare stop and listen, then we can, It's more effective than any Google search. You get your, you know, you don't need a wifi hookup. Get your answers. 24 7 doesn't cost you a penny. It costs you your anxiety. It costs you giving up your, you know, uh, the, your, your religion of needing to figure it out and be in control.

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Yes. Yes.

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We're not in control. Well,

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And

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At the same time, and at the same time, we are, it's the, you know, it's the, And I love that about the, the ancient coming back. Because if you think about what I love about this story of Hebrews in the desert mm-hmm. , I mean, think about it. These were slaves in Egypt. They dare leave. You know, they dare follow something from the inside that makes zero sense, zero sense. And it's just a against the popular worldview, you know, of, you know, however people lived and they miraculously get away. They, you know, they, the seas part, whether you're taking that physical or Right. Literally, or it doesn't matter. I I'm not relating to the physical part right now, but, you know, so you're in a situation, you feel stuck, You're on a hamster wheel, you know, you're enslaved by, you're enslaved. And there's a lot of that today. And then you actually break free, which is why I think we see a lot of migration happening, not just for the economics. Again, I'm looking, I'm speaking from a very wide angle lens here, but then you have desert. It's like the promised land doesn't come for two, three generations. Mm-hmm. . So what happens during those 40 years, we're like two years into the desert, three years into

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The desert. Yes. What if we had 40 more? Right.

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Right. Yes. You know, and like the first book, it's like you say about the crafting, like, how do I write a book about something that's not cerebral? The world doesn't need another book. And I'm in service to some, to, to, the message is your answers are inside that outside. Right. Right. So, you know, read the book of yourself, you know, listen to

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Yourself, read that story. Well, in in particular, you have a chapter on confidence. And I use that word confidence in every episode of this podcast. So I couldn't help but be gravitated towards it. Oh, sure. And you talk about breaking through, uh, out of slavery, but the, just breaking through from any resistance, there's a lot of resistance and desire to break out of something in all our lives. Yeah. And you kind of say, Hey, we need to get past they, if there's a will to the way and, you know, other sort of mantras. But what is, in terms of finding our voice and breaking through whatever creative pursuit or personal pursuit or family pursuit that might be.

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Yeah, that's a great question. Well, this is what got forgotten that is so important to remember and reconnect with today. Our voice, literally and figuratively, our voice is, we knew the power of voice literally and figuratively in ancient times, and then we disconnected from it. But your voice, your human voice, your, is your, it's the instrument that bridges your inner clarity, your inner world with your outer expression. And when you are disconnected from your inner clarity, you know, from your, I'll call it, you know, let's call it your inner voice, meaning it's that a nudge, my second Ted talk, if you, there's a really good exploration there that the second Ted talk is trust your silent voice. And there's the research and there's really cool stuff. There, there, there dare speak my own voice in creativity for years, just like the book, How am I gonna write this?

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I always thought, well, what if, you know, there's this story of the parting of the seas. It's like, how could the, Here here's a drum. Mm-hmm. , you know, you see all these, they're not manufac. It's animal skin. And it's written in the, in the biblical text, you know, and Miriam leads the Israelites. She leads, you know, singing the theran, the English translation says, singing and dancing. And through our minds, we go, Oh, singing and dancing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They wielded the power of the entire cosmos in their hands. Because in those days, we were living according to feminine worldview. And we knew the power of vibration and sound. We buildings were built through them. We knew how to manipulate and use that. We don't, we are much more neanderthal today than we were then. The v vis-a-vis this.

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So I was thinking, how come, how could that be water's part? And theres, there'd be no sound. It's like, skin wet, go wait a minute. But they knew how to wield power. What if through their voices, you know, through the connection to the vibration that the waters parted. I'm like, Oh, yeah. Oh God, that makes so much sense. But I didn't dare say that to anyone, you know, it's like, I'll, you know, hang me on the cross or, you know, send me . So for years and years and years, my work has always been like a, um, like everything that I've learned and done, it's from the inside out. It's not that somebody taught me it, it's by direct experience. And that I have found and continue to find is the best teacher. Mm.

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So

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Good. All right. So how do you prove something that's 5,000 years old in a modern world where everything has to have the good housekeeping seal?

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Yes. I was gonna ask you marketing about that. Scientific proof.

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Yeah. You know, and, and, and so, uh, well, for the Ted, I, I'd like look for who's doing research, you know, of voice vibration, water molecules, . And for that second Ted talk, I found it, I found it in that, that Ted talk was around the launch of the first iteration of this book, which was Miriam's Secret. And in, at the University of Zurich, they did a study on the effect of vibration upon water molecules and that it would part the waters. And I have this little 22nd scene in there of, you see a water faucet, Like they turn on the, you know, water flows, you know, from the water faucet, but they have this little knob that they attached to the water faucet. And when they turned that knob, the hurts, you know, it cha it, the vibration changes and the wa and, and the flow of water parts and starts, Dan, like these water molecules start dancing.

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It's astounding. So I dared, you know, that for me was such a, that is after, at 20 years of knowing this intuitively mm-hmm. , but I finally found that corroboration that people would say, Oh, they could see, they could cognitively see it. And that is why during, uh, in 2000, which was the empty father, the mids crisis, um, I had a lot of success with this. But, you know, how do you prove, what is this? What is this thing? And, uh, the voice says, Well go, Yeah, you need some housekeeping seal of approval, otherwise, you know, this isn't gonna stay with you. It won't go anywhere. And it says, go to the, go to your local hospital cuz it serves a 50 50 Israeli Palestinian, uh, population and suggest a healing music project. I'm like, What? I'm not a doctor right now. I'm gonna like, laugh me out here.

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I mean, how am I even get in there? And but it was so clear to me that if I reacted to what the news was portraying, which I knew from CBS that I was contributing to the problem. Mm-hmm. . So I needed, if I wanted to show up in solution, that that required a whole different response. But I didn't know what it was. And then there was the trying to figure it out, you know, like I was speaking about before I would get me nowhere fast, you know? And then the inner criticism of whether you nuts, who do you think you are anyway? You know, like, how dare you be unique? How dare you trust yourself? Right. You know, follow, follow the rules. Um, but the, you know, the war went on and, you know, I didn't have a better idea. Finally one day I got up enough, you know, I just .

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I just, I called and I, I went and the, and the, uh, the nurse said, Oh yeah, come. But then I got there and the doctor goes, You can't come in here with, I'm like, . And he goes, But before I left, he goes, I'll tell you what we can do. He goes, uh, if you want to put together presentation, you know, we can have, we can set up a meeting with the entire medical staff and if you wanna make a presentation and show the evidence base of how this might work, and the entire staff agrees, maybe we can do a test. And that was like my te you know, that was like the next test. So, and again, this is, there's no Google, there's no, there's no internet. You know, I spent my next, however long months, however long it was 24 7 in the libraries.

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Anything I could find that had to do with vibration, it was, you know, science and archeology and medicine, anything that had to do. And I, I compiled 16, uh, studies and I went in and go, Well, of course, you know, this one deemed esteem medical staff. Of course you know this one. And of course you know this doctor. And of course, you know, and after 16, then I gave a, uh, live example and they decided unanimously to do a test. And that test, uh, evolved into that. And after I re after that first, uh, test day, I received a letter from that same doctor going, you know, when you first came, we were worried because it didn't seem medical to introduce something like this to, you know, to neo, you know, neonates in an intensive care situation. But I have to admit that we were wrong because when you sat next to a baby who weighs 500 grams, that's like less than a pound.

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And when you began to sing, he began to move. And this proved three things to us. One, that he was hearing, two, that part of his brain was working, and three, that he enjoyed the music. And in addition, we as the medical staff, it helped us in our own work, we could focus better. And we were calmer. So Elena, you know, I asked for your patients, cuz I, you know, we believe that if this could become, uh, a regular procedure, you know, regular in the nicu, then this could begin a whole new era for all the babies, no matter what their origin. And we translated that letter from Hebrew into English. Um, we ended up, uh, getting a fully funded research for three years, paid my, paid my salary, and I'm not a doctor. I'm the instigator of this. And I knew one day they put letters after my name in the research. I go, What are those letters,

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? Where did I get these?

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They never took them off. And at the beginning I was terrified. Oh God. One day in the future I'm gonna get punished because, you know, that same thing, because I dared speak by truth when there was no precedence to it. But today, that is why I'm here. Mm-hmm. , this is why I'm telling the story. So that you can know that when there's something in you that's that's an impulse, that's a hunch, trust it, it doesn't make sense because it's coming from a whole, It's, it's your, it's your true voice. The ones that you listen to and react to. Those are habitual voices. Those are, they're not a lot of 'em, not even yours. You know, ones that you heard as a child, you know, and that got programmed in. And yes, you know, the research is show science shows us that, you know, we learn, we make our world decisions by seven years old, eight years old. And then those voices are going, you know, they're through an educator, through a parent, through a relative, through, you know, some somewhere that you heard. And that's how we live the rest of our life. That's not your voice. That's a habit. And so, though, so trust, trust what that hunch, because it's important you have something that nobody and your voice has something that nobody else has, and it kind of returns us to the well. It's like, Well, exactly.

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I wanted to circle back, because you're also talking about the look, all of us creatives, every listener to this podcast says, I have this inner critic and I'm going against the grain on something to create something new. But you're talking about what if the water parted because of the sound vibrations from the singing and the dancing and the drumming. Well, you're, you're going against science and medicine, but you're also going against biblical tradition. You're going against ancient stories. You're going against the Hollywood movie. We have all seen it. We know how Moses is part of the water. He would just raise his hands. So, you know, there's too much that we could say, Oh yeah, I, who am I

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I know. And living in and living in Israel, it's like me mm-hmm. talking about Miriam. Huh. You know, I'd be, Oh my God.

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Well, and you remind us in the book that Miriam is from three religious traditions. Yeah. Uh, so, you know, you've got a lot of, uh, confluence of potential translation there.

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. Yeah. And, and, uh, but for me, Miriam isn't a person. Miam is the archetype of feminine leadership. Even her na and Hebrew, it's like in, uh, you know, and so many, you know, at this point, over the 30 plus years of my career, I've, I would say that at this point, between 10, 15,000 professionals have been, you know, have been trained in this with this approach. And in, um, in the, I mean now the co now the course is called Emerge Triumph of Thrive for Uncertainty because of what we're going through. But it's had many, it, it began as your authentic voice that I taught in 2005 on a bridge line in Galilee. And the lines have go. And my voice was like, How come you be teaching about authentic voice and you can't even be on the line? Who are you? What I'm telling you this story so that you'll trust, like your waters will part when you dare to not run.

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Because that's how the waters part. And I just see over the 30 years time and time again, no matter if it's the Authentic Voice course or it's emerged triumphant, you know, that, that people learning these tools, you know, when they learn to connect to the, to the inner clarity and bridge that, you know, with the voice that's behind the sound, the sound is actually the after effect. But it brings us back to that. Well, it's like the, we learn any kind of presentation course teaches you about how to speak and how to look at the camera. And, you know, I'm from broadcasting, I blacked out in my first TED Talk, the first one I know how to present. Yes. It didn't have to do with presentation, it's where it's coming from. But it ended up best thing, Imagine your terror of, you know, the blocks that come up when you go to creatively express yourself.

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Well, imagine that that block could actually be your greatest mojo. Your it is, I mean, I'm live pinnacle of my career. You know, it's like live Ted Ted Talks are live mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm . All right. And there I'm like, and I'm about Miriam. And, and I like, finally, how did I even get that? It's a woman who was in one of those first authentic voice courses where the phones would go down. And she reached out to me going, Oh, I'm dreaming of you coming to the States and I'm organizing a Ted Talk. Who knew? You know, So it's not, you're going out, it's you're going in, you know. And there I gave the talk and I don't know, at some point I just, I blacked out my worst fear pinnacle in my career. Don't know what to say, completely forget my script. Everything. And the voice goes beyond the cognitive. Well sweetheart, this would be a really great, isn't this a great opportunity to practice what it is that you teach , you know, here at the pinnacle of

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Your, here you're rr

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Career , you know, where I'm like dying inside because it's my worst fear, you know, public humiliation. And it ended up the best thing that could ever happen. Cuz now I've got this great story and that first talk was in 2012, so it's 10 years ago now. And I've been telling this story for a long while. I go, go watch that 10 talk. It's your voice. Make it heard. And anybody who tell, who can tell me where I blacked out, I'll give you a prize. And I haven't given out a prize yet.

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, I love that. . Well, Eliana, what, what a terrific conversation. I've enjoyed it so much. And listeners, uh, Eliana has agreed to give us a bit of a demonstration of her healing, voice activation, technique and process. And so, uh, stay tuned after our interview here for, uh, a more full audio presentation of that, uh, process. Thanks for talking to us. And really, uh, uh, this idea I just take away from is you can part your own waters, you know, go inside, find that story, uh, use the vibration. But, uh, certainly we can overcome our own, you know, obstacles.

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Yep. That's so beautiful.

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Love it so much. Where, where can we find you, connect with you, learn more about your work? And I I also understand you have some workshops and you're planning some new ones for next year.

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Yeah. So, uh, you, the repository is@voicesofeden.com. That's the main website. And on there you'll find a, and the book is at, uh, forward slash book. Great. And there is a nice, uh, little gift video too that was recorded at one of the ancient healing sites of Galilee on the shores of the Mediterranean. And, uh, there's a free workshop there that you can avail yourself of. And, uh, uh, next step if you're, you know, if you're really ready to find your true voice, you know, there are, there are, uh, are jumpstart resources there to help you to get out of your mind and into your heart and connect your voice from your heart out.

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Wonderful. Well, I can't wait to visit the website. Take advantage of all those resources and listeners. Again, it's Eliana Gallad. She's the author of Thrive Through Uncertainty, Emerge Triumphant, a wonderful book, uh, that's, uh, based on a lot of Miriam's teachings, both, uh, you know, sort of biblical and as you've suggested, Eliana, sort of the, the all encompassing, you know, view of Miriam as a feminine voice with ancient wisdom. Well, thanks for sharing.

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Thank you.

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And listeners, come back again next time. We're gonna continue around the world journeys to talk to creative practitioners everywhere about how they get inspired with new ideas, but also as we've learned today, uh, how to overcome obstacles and launch our work out into the world and, uh, free our voice and use our voice, uh, to pursue the creativity that is inside of us. So until next time, I'm Mark Stinson and we're unlocking your world of creativity. And stay tuned for Eliana's demonstration of the, uh, heart voice activation.

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Well, yeah. And the activation, it's going to be focused upon unlocking your creativity. That's gonna be the focus.

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So fantastic. Well stay tuned for that and we'll see you next time. Bye for.